Revelation† 7 PART A. Must SEE This!

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: You have no scriptual evidence to back up your claim. There are two resurrections, the First resurrection is the one in Glory, the second one is for the wicked. The First ressurection occurs at the second coming, the second occurs after the 1000 years. (rev 20:5) If Jesus Christ has already come, then why have not the first ressurection happened? Are you saying, that verse 17 in 1 thes 4, is wrong? It does say, that the dead will be lifted up to heaven TOGETHER with the living.

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: The sealing hasnt started yet, there is nothing in the Bible that indicates that the apostles were sealed. Note also that Paul states, that "not all shall die" but that these also have part of the first ressurection, those that go to heaven, those that have this hope and only hope. Last part of verse 13 in 1 thes 4, "even as others which have no hope." The rest of the world, have no hope. So you see, that if your not going to heaven, then you have no hope, for there is ONLY ONE Hope.

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: As Hebrews 11 states plainly, they, from Abel to Paul, ALL look forward to the heavenly. The ressurection has NOT started yet, so they are ALL "Sleeping" in their graves. Note Verse 17 in relation to your claim that the first resurrection has started, not "in the twinkling of an eye" but a gradual one: "Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up TOGETHER with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

judgerutherford Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - im not talking about the apostles, im talking about the 144,000,you are correct NOT ALL WILL DIE as some are still alive but if they die they are instantly resurrected as spirit persons, but not the others, these remain in the grave until the 1000 reign of gods kingdom in the hands of jesus christ and his co rulers or heirs.i have no desire to go to heaven but to live on this earth as the way god inteded as a human, this is gods will for the earth, he will not take all to heaven

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: You should read the books of Jeremia and Isayaha, even Ezekiel. They all speak of this. We will thread on the ashes of the wicked. Even Peter talks about the firmaments melting, and Christ say that the earth will be judged by fire. The restoration happens AFTER the 1000 years, when Christ comes back a third time, this time He have all the Holy with Him. (Rev 21) "Behold I (Jesus) make everything new" And we who are there, will witness this act of Creation from our God.

judgerutherford Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - abel and the others will not be going to heaven according to gods word,the 1st resurrection HAS already started,jesus christ is the first to be resurrected and he resurrected the little flock before all others,the living ones left as there are still some alive will be changed as soon as they die, the rest of the dead will come back to life in the 1000 year rule of gods kingdom over the earth from heaven

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: So are you saying that Paul lied when he said that the saints would be resurected TOGETHER with the living? I think you should read closely the words of Paul, compare scripture with scripture. No one saw the second coming of Christ, yet the Bible explains with a 100% certainty that EVERYONE will SEE Him coming in the clouds. Study acts 1, here there are mentioned 5-6 times a word that has something to do with the eyes, and then ".. This Jesus will return the same way."

judgerutherford Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - so what youre saying then is while they are standing there as humans they will be caught up, to where? again flesh and blood cannot go to heaven, you have to be dead and then resurrected as a spirit person to live in heaven,TOGETHER WITH THEM.who are THEM? the others of the little flock part of the 144,000, only 144,000 are chosen to go to heaven not everyone otherwise there would be nobody to live on the earth, so jesus was wrong then when he said "the meek will inherit the earth" of course not

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: Jesus Christ spoke of Himself. He is the Kingdom of God, He is the King. Jesus Christ is also within all those that belong to Him, the New Creation. As David said, "Create in me a clean heart o Lord" He asked Jesus to create a new heart in him, to make him a New Creature. Paul states, that he no longer lives, but that it is Christ living in him. Jesus Christ will be together with His creation, for all eternity. He will NOT distance Himself, afterall He died so we could be with Him!

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: The Great Crowd in chapter 7v9 is the SAME as the 144000. These did not get the mark of the beast, but have the seal of God on their forheads. These came out of the Tribulation and serve day and night in the heavenly temple, this I have already mentioned.

judgerutherford Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - if there is a first resurrection is there a second resurrection, as this is what this is employing here, so who are the members of the 1st resurrection, and who are members of the 2nd resurrection,jesus and the 144,000 are the 1st resurrection and the dead in the graves are the 2nd resurrection, these will be resurrected to life on earth, not heaven,where did god put adam on the earth or in heaven?, if adam had not sinned would he ever of died,if not he would of remained on the earth in paradise

Mekelsior Says:

Aug 13, 2008 - Judge: You are correct when asking this question: Who is part of the first, and who is part of the second. Lets have the Bible answer this. 1 Thes 4:14 "even so them also which *sleep in Jesus* will God bring with him." So, those that are part of the first ressurection, are those that sleep in Christ. Those that had accepted Christ before they died. Now if you do not accept Christ, then you are lost. So the first deals with all that are not lost, but saved. Guess who belongs to the second?

olh1152 Says:

Aug 18, 2008 - John the devine must have gone nuts to have written such a book. Only a madman could have written what he wrote. Any one who believes that crap would also be nuts. By the way if i was place on an isle by myself i would go nuts too.

okebaram Says:

Aug 19, 2008 - The wisdom of God seems foolish to the carnal people of the world.

olh1152 Says:

Aug 19, 2008 - Really, Carnal, okay. Have you ever read the entire book of Revelation. What is your opinion of it?

simba9100 Says:

Aug 20, 2008 - i have=it explains about the beast out of sea and earth,which is a revelation about Rome/Vatican and America respectively.Rev 13:3 One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. We know Napoleon(french revolution) captured the Pope at the time!7He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. We know saints were killed too at the time.

Jesus4mankind Says:

Aug 31, 2008 - GLBT = God Loves Burning Trash

distressed7 Says:

Sep 11, 2008 - Sounds like you're there.

distressed7 Says:

Sep 11, 2008 - I find it poetically and allegorically accurate. We are decapitated everyday we sit in front of the BoobSet and get lobotomized. We are all marked as we "work" in a backstab society. Our hands do evil. Our minds are always up to the job. We would give our hearts and souls away and do whatever we have to while obeying any Beast of Power in order to keep our wretched jobs. We eat like pigs amid squalid hunger and bloodshed. Famine in times of plenty. I think he hit the nail on the head. RE: Us.

olh1152 Says:

Sep 11, 2008 - How can you have faith in this. Have you ever done a study of all the religions in the world? Please do not answer that. I know the answer. No.

srvntogd Says:

Sep 29, 2008 - 144000, or end times sermon? This is misleading.

okebaram Says:

Sep 29, 2008 - Did you watch part B before stating that this is misleading, even though the title only says Revelation 7?

navysealboy62 Says:

Sep 29, 2008 - I don't think I should worry because if this is true that means Jesus is gonna be coming around :-)

forgivenchild247 Says:

Oct 5, 2008 - its nothing to worry about if u believe... u cant doubt him hes faithful so u need to b faithful to him!.... he loves you just know that... you are his child accept him and he will accept you tust in him! he never fails !!!!!!!

littleredbirdy Says:

Oct 9, 2008 - Good stuff