elgrano Says:
May 14, 2008 - I'll give them their due as great musicians and thats it. but when these bands start celebrating monsters like Che Guevara, Castro, Hitler, or trying to free and celebrate murderers behind bars is when their credibility lies only in the notes they play.
RainPoetry Says:
May 20, 2008 - Typical. Any sort of criticism is equated with Hitler, thus creating a straw man argument so everyone would be forced to agree. Because RATM speaks up for those who have no voice, and fashionable causes only like Darfur,they've always been attacked. They don't need fascist fans of Joseph McCarthy.
elgrano Says:
May 20, 2008 - And so does the Skrewdriver fans that tell me they don't need crocodile teared communist fans of Pol Pot and such is life! But, yes, Rage do need me(my money) their rage isn't against the Mac Machine where they're making millions while complaining in America. It's against the "Machine". There is equation with Hitler, because on the other side of the political spectrum, they love those dictators! they love oppression! and they love brainwashing! ultra-left, ultra-right, all the same garbage.
georgpetur Says:
May 20, 2008 - Me too!, absolutely love this album...just like all the other Killing Joke albums
science454 Says:
May 21, 2008 - Special band.
catalyst8 Says:
May 29, 2008 - "these bands start celebrating monsters like Che Guevara, Castro, Hitler," How about the Bush monster, currently sanctioning torture? Bush is also responsible for contravening 17 or more sections of the Geneva Convention (esp. the 3rd Convention) by the illegal actions in Guantanamo. Or the CIA who have funded & trained terrorists (Taliban), instigated coups (too many to list), & undertaken assassination attempts (Castro is just one)? This song seems particularly apt & insightful at the moment.
tsarbomba Says:
May 30, 2008 - Yeah, screw Ro7whatever, this band was major in the US to those of us who cared to seek out good music. Go back to your Whitesnake, dog.
catalyst8 Says:
May 31, 2008 - tsar, I suspect Whitesnake might be a bit underground for Ro77(etc.) Have you seen the videos on his profile? Can anyone say 'Top 40'? How about 'plastic', 'shallow', 'vapid', or 'manufactured'? Avril Lavigne, I'm not kidding. Wasn't she a country & western covers singer whose record label decided to remodel her and make her into a... Er... whatever genre she's supposed to be? We used to call it 'Plastic Punk' but I imagine there's another phrase now...
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 14, 2008 - It's not like you have any idea what the Geneva Conventions are, you pseudo-intellectual nitwit. No one in Guantanamo Bay even meets any criteria to be covered by the Geneva Conventions. In WWII, they would have been summarily executed by any nation, and the Geneva Convention would have condoned it. I'll bet money that you celebrate trash like Che Guevara, whose prisons Gitmo will never even compare to in terms of massive cruelty.
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 17, 2008 - I like Killing Joke, but this shit is pretty weak.
catalyst8 Says:
Jun 18, 2008 - Can you elaborate?
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 18, 2008 - It's weak in general. Musically, it's boring and flimsy sounding with the cheesy synths and whatnot. The bass stands out, and Geordie is still performing. I just really come to expect more. And the political message is just kind of thin. America is greedy and hypocritical? *yaaawn* How many other bands were hammering this same theme in the late 80s? That shit was played out even then. The video looks retarded too. Just not very inspired. Killing Joke has always been hit and miss though.
catalyst8 Says:
Jun 20, 2008 - "It's not like you have any idea what the Geneva Conventions are" On the contrary, I am indeed familiar with them. The Geneva Convention applies to ALL persons captured, regardless of uniform. "In WWII, they would have been summarily executed" You seem to have the impression that they've been tried, but they haven't. Incidentally US illegal kidnapped some suspects from other countries, are you aware of how that has alienated even your allies?
catalyst8 Says:
Jun 20, 2008 - "It's weak in general." I disagree, in my opinion their only weak song is 'Love Like Blood', though of course this is a purely subjective value. From what you've posted I suspect you don't like this song simply because you've been conditioned to automatically revile anything that questions or criticizes the US. It's a very common problem for your compatriots, due to the intense propaganda and ritualism (e.g. pledging to the flag as a child) the US population is bombarded with.
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 20, 2008 - Yeah, dude. That's it. People like you are intellectual terrorists. Anyone who disagrees with you is brainwashed, right? I've been conditioned to automatically revile anything the questions or criticizes the US? Dude, I fully invite questioning and criticizing the US. I celebrate the free market of ideas. I've loved Killing Joke for years, I just don't like this fucking song, retard. I just don't think it's creative. My favorite band is Skinny Puppy who are extremely anti-establishment.
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 20, 2008 - It doesn't apply to all persons captured, only to persons captured who meet criteria for POW status. My is impression they've been tried? Do you know what a summary execution is? It's when you catch someone red-handed and put a bullet through their head without ever taking them in. We did this in WWII constantly to Germans found out of uniform or wearing ours, and this was in compliance to Geneva conventions. Extraordinary rendition? I know it happens, but I wouldn't take YOUR word for it.
xaerodivide Says:
Jun 25, 2008 - KJ rock, but I feel this is pretty commercial stuff, the video alone stinks of money...perhaps some label or other thought they could roll on the "anti-establishment dollar"...thats a good dollar, all the rich white kids feeling the angst and whatnot ¬¬ compare this over produced fluff to the likes of "wardance" or "eighties"
xaerodivide Says:
Jun 25, 2008 - ...hell, they even have a couple of fighter jets flying around, that'll cost ya XD
MeteoraMCA Says:
Jun 26, 2008 - jazz rulz
BaronFitz Says:
Jun 30, 2008 - The Geneva Conventions do apply to all persons captured, regardless of whether they are civilian or military. It's also true that America's political allies are distancing themselves from it, but not just because it illegally kidnapped people from other countries.
einsatzdeath Says:
Jun 30, 2008 - Oh, gosh, I didn't know we had a scholar of the Geneva Conventions on hand! Gee whiz! You sure know your stuff. Hahaha. I'm sick of all you bullshit people that pretend to be experts about things you don't know shit about. It's so fucking annoying. There are so many of you people too. I used to criticize the government about whatnot, but I don't bother now cuz I'd rather not get lumped in with all of the retarded know-it-alls. Now it's funner to talk about the good things Bush does!
science454 Says:
Jul 8, 2008 - Right, time to put my spin on things. First of all, I love the music, and the video is funny. I hate this "intellectual terrorism" against the powers that be and so on. Smacks of hippie culture and Dylan (and god awful song-writing that accompanies it) In my opinion, Jaz just wantd to show his concern that the UK was so dependent on the USA. The USA is just another country. Neither good nor bad if you like. Rant over.
1cromsbeard Says:
Jul 10, 2008 - I love Killing Joke, but it has to be said that this era is best left to fester in the abyss!
jzzsoon Says:
Jul 13, 2008 - i love killing joke, but this sucks!:D
RainPoetry Says:
May 14, 2008 - "Rock and roll" always challenged the mainstream and the status quo. Today's world is very right -wing, so it's not suprising the younger folk are more conservative than the older folk.