Response to my response

newobserver Says:

Jan 27, 2008 - That is great "Certainly he did not". So if you get a proof that Mirza used words like HARAMZADA, WALAD-UL-HARAM, KHARAB AURTON KI NASAL SE, would you confirm him to be a false prophet?

ansar58 Says:

Jan 27, 2008 - newobserver, take care! Because by this standard you may have to forsake Quran because it contains the word "ZANEEM" in Sura Al-Qalam, which means "Haramzada, Waladul Haram, a product of Zina"(Ch.68 V.14). Also read a few verses before that which contain bad names for opponents of Islam.

ansar58 Says:

Jan 27, 2008 - Also read other verses of Quran where opponents of Islam are called animals, rather worse than animals. Explore biographies of Holy Prophet where allegations of opponents are mentioned that Holy Prophet (sa), God Forbid, used abusive language as you allege the Promised Messiah (as). Alhamdolillah we found another similarity between you and your spiritual forefathers, the kuffar-e-Makka. Alhamdolillah!!!!

SaifullaKhalid Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - Mirza Sahib did not hold a contradictory belief to the idea of Jesus (as) beaming down until he was corrected by God Himself. This is not a matter of rejecting a commonly held misconception, but accepting the Word of Allah (swt).

SaifullaKhalid Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - Those who brought Books and Commands were the law bearing prophets. Those who followed the already revealed scriptures were non-law bearing prophets. What were the names of scriptures revealed on Sulaiman (as), Younus (as), Yousuf (as)?

topdawg911 Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - lol An Indian guy a prophet? jokers...

newobserver Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - At one place you say Quran calls people HARAMZADA - at other place you say there is an allegation that Holy Prophet used abusive language. Come to your senses, if you believe ZANEEM means HARAMZADA then don't by shy of the fact that Quran has used abusive langauge. We don't believe ZANEEM means HARAMZADA - this is basically a belief of Mirzais.

newobserver Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - So Mirza Sb made an error and he continued to err for 52 years of his life. Correct? Although he says God does not keep him on error even for a moment. Was he a liar or you are a liar?

ansar58 Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - If you don't believe that "zaneem" means haramzada, I don't believe that haramzada means illegitimate child. Period. My dear, it doesn't matter what you believe or not. The language matters and it clearly shows that zaneem means illegitimate. You are trying to deviate from its original meaning to shift the blame.

ansar58 Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - Secondly, there is no contradiction in my statement from one place to other place. Quran does contain the word "Zaneem" and the kuffar-e-makka did allege Holy Prophet of using abusive language. What I am trying to say that these words are not "abusive words" but the matter of fact, shows the real characteristics of those who were called by such names.

ansar58 Says:

Jan 28, 2008 - However, I sincerely and with complete honesty invite you towards the Holy Quran and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (sa). Don't be misled by mullah whose filthy literature you read which contains pick & chose and then portray bad picture of anyone. I promise you that if solely by the principles of Quran and Hadith you prove Ahmadiyya beliefs wrong, is hall immediately forsake this belief. Allah be my Witness!

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - So HARAMZADA is not abusive language but show the real character. Thus if Mirza called his non-believers, that is real character of non-Ahmadies. Correct?

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - I thank you for your invitation and I am definitely inclined to accept the truth if Ahamdis are at truth. I also invite you to teach me Ahmadi Beliefs in the light of Quran and Hadith. May I quote from filthy literature of Mullahs and you might correct my misunderstanding. Mullahs claim that Ahmadi Beliefs require that the Government should arrange prostitutes for army officers to save them from venereal diseases. Do you consider it a true Ahmadi Belief?

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - And do you know, Mirza Sb also quotes Hadith 'la nabi ba'adi' and says its meaning is that no prophet can come after Holy Prophet. And he says, wahi has been closed. And he says many things what Muslims say today and you Mirzais say they are stupid.

legendmind16 Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - Thanks a lot for accepting my invitation towards Quran and Hadith. You know that the responses at this place have to be very short, not more than 500 characters. Once we are agreed to discuss our beliefs on the basis of Quran and Hadith, we should choose another forum like email so that we can discuss our beliefs at length.

legendmind16 Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - Regarding your observation about providing prostitutes to army officers, I would like to mention that this is another classic example of malicious pick and choose. This reference is from the book "Arya Dharam" pp 73-74 (pdf 75,76) wherein the Promised Messiah (as) reproduced the letter of the editor of a famous newspaper of that time "Akhbar-e-aam".

legendmind16 Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - If you had read that reference yourself and looked at just one page before that title "Qanoon-e-Dikhaee", you would have ascertained the truth. The Promised Messiah (as) is not suggesting to provide prostitutes to army officers. He is just quoting Muslim Journalist whose suggestion it is.

legendmind16 Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - No, that is not the real character of 'Non-Ahmadies'. It is the depiction of those few bad character mullahs who bent upon lying and spreading false propaganda against the Promised Messiah (as). It is lke that depiction of opponents of the Holy Prophet (sa) in Quran. Allah said that they are animals, rather worse than animals. Obviously it does not mean all Makkans because many of them later accepted Islam.

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - Thank you for your response, I think this forum is better because many people can learn and clear misconceptions. I found that article quite filthy and still could not understand why Mirza Sb reproduce such a filthy thing in his book. Anyways, I am glad you are explaining logically the issues and I hope it will help everyone to understand your beliefs in a better manner.

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - I can fully understand what Quran says. Allah is The Creator of every living being. He created man and gave him wisdom. If a man follows Allah's way he becomes better than all other creation and if he follows the satan's way he become worse than all creation. Because rest of creation is not given decision power. I don't know how can this relate to a person being HARAMZADA.

newobserver Says:

Jan 29, 2008 - Another filthy quotation is that Mirza Sb said when you enter sperms into internal genitals of a women it is very enjoyable. Is that really a quotation by Mirza Sb?

nightwolf1453 Says:

Feb 2, 2008 - Jazakallah, once again TRUTH stands out clear from FALSEHOOD. The ahmediyyah arguments are utterly demolished, if they still cling onto their bida'h after this they are nothing short of heretics.

karimwithlove Says:

Feb 2, 2008 - mujhe gali kiyon dete ho,Mirzaji ne to kaha hai"galiyan snke dua do"kiya tum qadiani nahi ho? i know ,i know"love for mohammadi begum and hate for muslims". mirza aur uska beta khalifa zani dono apne bistar pe hagte hagte mare hain.kiya ye allah ki lanat nahi thi?

karimwithlove Says:

Feb 2, 2008 - saqibtahir, mujhe gali kiyon dete ho,Mirzaji ne to kaha hai"galiyan snke dua do"kiya tum qadiani nahi ho? i know ,i know"love for mohammadi begum and hate for muslims". mirza aur uska beta khalifa zani dono apne bistar pe hagte hagte mare hain.kiya ye allah ki lanat nahi thi?

coralsnakes Says:

Feb 5, 2008 - wasay aap sab ne aik baat zaroor note ki ho gi aur wo ye sab se ziada karimwithlove ko bhonknay ki aadat, bechara apni khslat se majboor hai, us ka apna is mein koi kasoor nahi, Allah us becharay kutay par reham karay, Ameen, Suma Ameen, phir Ameen,